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		<title>By: anil</title>
		<link>http://blog.nyayahealth.org/2008/04/08/no-health-without-nyaya/comment-page-1/#comment-11</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 15:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bibhav,
This is very moving article. I am getting more and more committed to go and work in Achaam. I also think this role &#039;outsider&#039;, &#039;insider&#039; is also constituted through history, and not natural. Afterall, people have been on the move always.

we are up for very serious and long-term stuff, as you said when we met in Boston. Parag, I and two other colleagues had had very serious discussions about how to spread the word around here, get more people interested in contributing to this wonderful initiative and also be part  of it.

Lau hai ta</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bibhav,<br />
This is very moving article. I am getting more and more committed to go and work in Achaam. I also think this role &#8216;outsider&#8217;, &#8216;insider&#8217; is also constituted through history, and not natural. Afterall, people have been on the move always.</p>
<p>we are up for very serious and long-term stuff, as you said when we met in Boston. Parag, I and two other colleagues had had very serious discussions about how to spread the word around here, get more people interested in contributing to this wonderful initiative and also be part  of it.</p>
<p>Lau hai ta</p>
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		<title>By: jyoti raj sharma</title>
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		<dc:creator>jyoti raj sharma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very..good attempt..
all the best

regards

Jyoti raj sharma</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very..good attempt..<br />
all the best</p>
<p>regards</p>
<p>Jyoti raj sharma</p>
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		<title>By: Rabin</title>
		<link>http://blog.nyayahealth.org/2008/04/08/no-health-without-nyaya/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Rabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 00:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bihav,
   Thanks for writing very informative and realistic post.I totally agree with you.Nepal is one of the underdeveloped country of the world and Acham is one of the underdeveloped place in Nepal.One of the main issue is social awareness and its not easy to overcome it.The issues are more complicated by the local people such as AHWs and faith healers who are scared that they will loose business ,so they spread bad rumours against one who is willing to help the people.Its very sad but true.They take advantage of people&#039;s ignorance,and its really hard to change the way people think.Regarding chaupadi,its really sad that women has to be in such condition during period such as menustration and labour when they read extra care.Hope people will be aware and realize that what they are doing is wrong.BUT here is the issue,Are the women live there on their will?or they are forced to live in it?coz I have heard that women truly belive that God will be angry if they live in house.Its so hard to change such beliefs.BUT hope the newer generation will realize the danger od Chaupadi.
     Regarding FCHV.I m really impressed by their work and believe that they are the most important part of community health services in rural area.There was significant reduction of mortality due to ARI coz they are allowed to give Bactrim when there is ARI.They belong to community so, people listen to them,although , they are not on monthly salary , they are paid during different community activity.I think U may not be able to hire them but may be you can use them by giving incentives,They get paid during polio days,Vitamin A days, so may be You can make some activities like that and ask them for help.or U can take help from AMA samuha regarding health awareness,
      As your post suggest , one if the main thing is lack of awareness ,esp the dalit community havent even heard of the clinic ,, so  how will they come?BY now it must have been well known,if not , they U should target the well respected  people of that community or AMA samuha,FCHV.
            I know its not an easy task,There are lots of social issues.and its really challenging.But What you guys are doing is awesome ,Its really wonderful to know that you are doing so much in Acham,Wishing you for success,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bihav,<br />
   Thanks for writing very informative and realistic post.I totally agree with you.Nepal is one of the underdeveloped country of the world and Acham is one of the underdeveloped place in Nepal.One of the main issue is social awareness and its not easy to overcome it.The issues are more complicated by the local people such as AHWs and faith healers who are scared that they will loose business ,so they spread bad rumours against one who is willing to help the people.Its very sad but true.They take advantage of people&#8217;s ignorance,and its really hard to change the way people think.Regarding chaupadi,its really sad that women has to be in such condition during period such as menustration and labour when they read extra care.Hope people will be aware and realize that what they are doing is wrong.BUT here is the issue,Are the women live there on their will?or they are forced to live in it?coz I have heard that women truly belive that God will be angry if they live in house.Its so hard to change such beliefs.BUT hope the newer generation will realize the danger od Chaupadi.<br />
     Regarding FCHV.I m really impressed by their work and believe that they are the most important part of community health services in rural area.There was significant reduction of mortality due to ARI coz they are allowed to give Bactrim when there is ARI.They belong to community so, people listen to them,although , they are not on monthly salary , they are paid during different community activity.I think U may not be able to hire them but may be you can use them by giving incentives,They get paid during polio days,Vitamin A days, so may be You can make some activities like that and ask them for help.or U can take help from AMA samuha regarding health awareness,<br />
      As your post suggest , one if the main thing is lack of awareness ,esp the dalit community havent even heard of the clinic ,, so  how will they come?BY now it must have been well known,if not , they U should target the well respected  people of that community or AMA samuha,FCHV.<br />
            I know its not an easy task,There are lots of social issues.and its really challenging.But What you guys are doing is awesome ,Its really wonderful to know that you are doing so much in Acham,Wishing you for success,</p>
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		<title>By: Beth Salerno</title>
		<link>http://blog.nyayahealth.org/2008/04/08/no-health-without-nyaya/comment-page-1/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth Salerno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 23:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Bibhav,

As often happens when I read anything you or Nyaya publishes, I am very impressed. Your sensitivity to caste and gender, insider and outsider status, and issues of power stand out from my normal reading of Fulbright and Peace Corps &quot;development&quot; materials.  You understand that while you might be able to bring ideas, money, organization, and energy, you cannot &quot;bring change&quot;.  Most of the change has to happen at the local level - change in attitudes, change in habits, eventually changes for justice.  Clearly your model is working - the ideas, money, organization and energy are flowing into Achaam.  You have the government on board for some things, and grants and personnel for others.  And local change is happening - people are coming!  Reading your post one could feel the scale of need is so huge, and the injustice so deeply rooted, that it is impossible to choose a place to start.  You did - a place to start and a place to stand.  I continue to wish you well - and to share the message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Bibhav,</p>
<p>As often happens when I read anything you or Nyaya publishes, I am very impressed. Your sensitivity to caste and gender, insider and outsider status, and issues of power stand out from my normal reading of Fulbright and Peace Corps &#8220;development&#8221; materials.  You understand that while you might be able to bring ideas, money, organization, and energy, you cannot &#8220;bring change&#8221;.  Most of the change has to happen at the local level &#8211; change in attitudes, change in habits, eventually changes for justice.  Clearly your model is working &#8211; the ideas, money, organization and energy are flowing into Achaam.  You have the government on board for some things, and grants and personnel for others.  And local change is happening &#8211; people are coming!  Reading your post one could feel the scale of need is so huge, and the injustice so deeply rooted, that it is impossible to choose a place to start.  You did &#8211; a place to start and a place to stand.  I continue to wish you well &#8211; and to share the message.</p>
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		<title>By: Rajendra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rajendra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent job! This post will haunt me for a long time.

Your point about cultural relativism is well- taken. We can&#039;t sit idle when there is so much oppression and brutality around us. As you so eloquently write, &quot;We should address health, of course, but we should address nyaya (justice) as well. The goal is to reach the most marginalized and provide them with support and resources to make real choices that are not hindered by oppressive practices and policies that are making people sick, exploiting them and killing them every day.&quot;

Yes, honest statements like these should haunt not only health organizations, but also every individual, and every sector of society and government.

Thank you for sharing your passionate work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent job! This post will haunt me for a long time.</p>
<p>Your point about cultural relativism is well- taken. We can&#8217;t sit idle when there is so much oppression and brutality around us. As you so eloquently write, &#8220;We should address health, of course, but we should address nyaya (justice) as well. The goal is to reach the most marginalized and provide them with support and resources to make real choices that are not hindered by oppressive practices and policies that are making people sick, exploiting them and killing them every day.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, honest statements like these should haunt not only health organizations, but also every individual, and every sector of society and government.</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing your passionate work.</p>
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		<title>By: Brikha Shrestha</title>
		<link>http://blog.nyayahealth.org/2008/04/08/no-health-without-nyaya/comment-page-1/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>Brikha Shrestha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bibhav,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and observations. Many of your comments about discrimination against women and the issue of healthcare delivery in societies where &quot;jhaar-fook&quot; is synonymous with medical treatment remind me of some shocking cases I have myself encountered during visits to rural areas of Tanahun. As you pointed out, one of the biggest challenges faced by any organization trying to deilver healthcare to rural areas is accessibility of service. While some villagers may choose to go to traditional healers simply because they trust them more than real doctors, others go to them because the former are much more accessible. I wonder if it&#039;d be worthwhile to look into the possibility of a decentralized healthcare delivery system in rural areas, where representatives (similar to the CHWs trained by Nyaya) don&#039;t just wait at a clinic for patients to come to them from distant villages, but instead visit those remote villages on a periodic basis. You could have, say, 5 paid CHWs well-trained in the basics of primary care and each one of them visits a remote village away from where the main clinic is set up once a week or month depending on health problems in that particular village. Better yet, this could be combined with an on-call service where one of your trained medical personnel can go to remote villages if they receive a message that someone in a remote village needs serious medical attention. If such a service is offered, I&#039;d think villagers who were initially deterred by the inaccessibility of central health posts, will now be more likely to seek real medical help. I&#039;ve heard news about telephone service in the most remote villages of Nepal lately- such a facility would make the decentralized system even more efficient because the message of medical emergency wouldn&#039;t have to wait very long to be delivered. I know all of this is easier said than done, and you have probably seen or know of many constraints that make such an arrangement less possible or less efficient than it looks here on my computer screen...

It is indeed a real challenge to get people in rural areas to go to modern medicine and not &quot;jhaar-fook&quot; for their medical needs even when accessibility is not an issue. Many people I met in villages in Tanahun went to traditional healers first just because they trusted those &quot;jhankris&quot; more. They would do/eat anything the &quot;jhankris&quot; prescribed, but the idea of taking something that came packaged in caplets and brown bottles at the suggestion of some newbie who touts the miracles of modern medicine seemed ludicrous to them. I wonder if people in Acchaam who go to traditional healers for similar reasons could be given the real medical help they need if the traditional healer him/herself prescribed real medicine instead of some &quot;jhaar&quot; or &quot;booti&quot; or some kind of animal sacrifice. Do you think Nyaya could work with traditional healers- train them in modern medicine and even pay them if necessary and ask them refer patients to a real doctor for more serious health problems- to combine their faith healing with modern medicine so that skeptic villagers still get the real medical help they need?

Finally, it&#039;s rather unfortunate that women in rural areas have to shoulder a large fraction of the physical labor needed to make a living for their families. I wonder if educating the younger generation (from school-going boys to newly weds) on the kinds of health risks borne by women throughout their life and especially during childbirth, and on the respect they really deserve could make at least some difference in the long run. If today&#039;s sons learn that they should not treat their future wives the way their fathers have treated their mothers, the picture you&#039;ve posted above of men playing cards while women work in the fields could become antiquated in the not-so-distant future.

Once again, thank you for sharing. it&#039;s great to hear that you are making efforts to help the cause that you feel so passionately about.

- Brikha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bibhav,</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your thoughts and observations. Many of your comments about discrimination against women and the issue of healthcare delivery in societies where &#8220;jhaar-fook&#8221; is synonymous with medical treatment remind me of some shocking cases I have myself encountered during visits to rural areas of Tanahun. As you pointed out, one of the biggest challenges faced by any organization trying to deilver healthcare to rural areas is accessibility of service. While some villagers may choose to go to traditional healers simply because they trust them more than real doctors, others go to them because the former are much more accessible. I wonder if it&#8217;d be worthwhile to look into the possibility of a decentralized healthcare delivery system in rural areas, where representatives (similar to the CHWs trained by Nyaya) don&#8217;t just wait at a clinic for patients to come to them from distant villages, but instead visit those remote villages on a periodic basis. You could have, say, 5 paid CHWs well-trained in the basics of primary care and each one of them visits a remote village away from where the main clinic is set up once a week or month depending on health problems in that particular village. Better yet, this could be combined with an on-call service where one of your trained medical personnel can go to remote villages if they receive a message that someone in a remote village needs serious medical attention. If such a service is offered, I&#8217;d think villagers who were initially deterred by the inaccessibility of central health posts, will now be more likely to seek real medical help. I&#8217;ve heard news about telephone service in the most remote villages of Nepal lately- such a facility would make the decentralized system even more efficient because the message of medical emergency wouldn&#8217;t have to wait very long to be delivered. I know all of this is easier said than done, and you have probably seen or know of many constraints that make such an arrangement less possible or less efficient than it looks here on my computer screen&#8230;</p>
<p>It is indeed a real challenge to get people in rural areas to go to modern medicine and not &#8220;jhaar-fook&#8221; for their medical needs even when accessibility is not an issue. Many people I met in villages in Tanahun went to traditional healers first just because they trusted those &#8220;jhankris&#8221; more. They would do/eat anything the &#8220;jhankris&#8221; prescribed, but the idea of taking something that came packaged in caplets and brown bottles at the suggestion of some newbie who touts the miracles of modern medicine seemed ludicrous to them. I wonder if people in Acchaam who go to traditional healers for similar reasons could be given the real medical help they need if the traditional healer him/herself prescribed real medicine instead of some &#8220;jhaar&#8221; or &#8220;booti&#8221; or some kind of animal sacrifice. Do you think Nyaya could work with traditional healers- train them in modern medicine and even pay them if necessary and ask them refer patients to a real doctor for more serious health problems- to combine their faith healing with modern medicine so that skeptic villagers still get the real medical help they need?</p>
<p>Finally, it&#8217;s rather unfortunate that women in rural areas have to shoulder a large fraction of the physical labor needed to make a living for their families. I wonder if educating the younger generation (from school-going boys to newly weds) on the kinds of health risks borne by women throughout their life and especially during childbirth, and on the respect they really deserve could make at least some difference in the long run. If today&#8217;s sons learn that they should not treat their future wives the way their fathers have treated their mothers, the picture you&#8217;ve posted above of men playing cards while women work in the fields could become antiquated in the not-so-distant future.</p>
<p>Once again, thank you for sharing. it&#8217;s great to hear that you are making efforts to help the cause that you feel so passionately about.</p>
<p>- Brikha</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Santosh K Dhungana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Santosh K Dhungana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its great to hear Nyaya has been working with great vigor.
I was also interested to join the nyaya team but things got otherwise and now i am currently in Parbat , Phalebas, an equally remote if not poorer part of Nepal. its a community run hospital (helping hands community health clinic) and i face so many typical difficulty that a young doctor faces in a nepali clinic setup- the traditional healers, the local ill trained lower and middle level health manpower, the carefree government employed health workers n biggest of all the abject poverty. people can&#039;t even afford to buy the simplest of medications for which i have to send special request to local sub health posts to provide with the already meager supply they have..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its great to hear Nyaya has been working with great vigor.<br />
I was also interested to join the nyaya team but things got otherwise and now i am currently in Parbat , Phalebas, an equally remote if not poorer part of Nepal. its a community run hospital (helping hands community health clinic) and i face so many typical difficulty that a young doctor faces in a nepali clinic setup- the traditional healers, the local ill trained lower and middle level health manpower, the carefree government employed health workers n biggest of all the abject poverty. people can&#8217;t even afford to buy the simplest of medications for which i have to send special request to local sub health posts to provide with the already meager supply they have..</p>
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		<title>By: astha</title>
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		<dc:creator>astha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember the first time you mentioned the term &quot;chaupadi goth&quot; and asked me if I knew what it meant.  Being a Nepali or knowing the language did not prevent me from being completely unaware of the practice itself.  Thus, I feel like I understand  part of what you might have felt  like an outsider, despite the commonalities that thought you might have shared as a Nepali.

Your post attests to the fact that health issues and thus the challenge of improving the health status of a community is not one dimensional ; especially when issues are compounded by social practices such as this one that ostracizes the most vulnerable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember the first time you mentioned the term &#8220;chaupadi goth&#8221; and asked me if I knew what it meant.  Being a Nepali or knowing the language did not prevent me from being completely unaware of the practice itself.  Thus, I feel like I understand  part of what you might have felt  like an outsider, despite the commonalities that thought you might have shared as a Nepali.</p>
<p>Your post attests to the fact that health issues and thus the challenge of improving the health status of a community is not one dimensional ; especially when issues are compounded by social practices such as this one that ostracizes the most vulnerable.</p>
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		<title>By: kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 01:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of issues your post brings up, and I&#039;m sure we&#039;ll talk about them at some point, or many points.  For now I just wanted to say that your words and images really communicate.  I really love the photographs of the men chatting and the other one of them playing cards.  Your post feels both journalistic and personal, and I appreciate that you show instead of telling, make observations without commenting because things can speak for themselves.  I think that&#039;s where you would draw the line between reality and art. But I have to say that for me art is most anything created, and I admire your ability to create your post and also remain committed to truth.  I&#039;ll have to catch up with your posts :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of issues your post brings up, and I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;ll talk about them at some point, or many points.  For now I just wanted to say that your words and images really communicate.  I really love the photographs of the men chatting and the other one of them playing cards.  Your post feels both journalistic and personal, and I appreciate that you show instead of telling, make observations without commenting because things can speak for themselves.  I think that&#8217;s where you would draw the line between reality and art. But I have to say that for me art is most anything created, and I admire your ability to create your post and also remain committed to truth.  I&#8217;ll have to catch up with your posts <img src='http://blog.nyayahealth.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Allison Lin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allison Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good job Bibhav on such a provocative post.  I could hear your tone throughout the piece =).  You bring up some fundamental issues ‘outsiders’ face when trying to educate and empower those living in poverty against a completely different cultural backdrop.

I agree that one of the biggest worries is how to go about empowering these people. How do you gain their trust and convince them that even though you are an outsider, you have their interests at heart and want to work with them to improve their lives?

 Thus, I was particularly intrigued by the Female Community Health Volunteers (FCHV’s).  Why has the gov’t made it impossible to pay them? What exactly is the regulation?  Maybe there’s another way to give incentives to these women, to gain their support and also to raise their value and respect level in the community. Maybe you could help make their job easier, either through giving them access to better transportation (I’m not sure what that would entail) or to things they can distribute (food, anything of value) or give them payment in the form of food/necessities for their own family.

 I think it’s great that Nyaya will be working with these women and supplementing their training so that they can do more in the community. It seems like there’s so little healthcare available that any additional services these women can offer would be a great improvement. And  educating these women and allowing them to be spokespeople for Nyaya is probably one of the best concrete examples of empowerment that I can think of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job Bibhav on such a provocative post.  I could hear your tone throughout the piece =).  You bring up some fundamental issues ‘outsiders’ face when trying to educate and empower those living in poverty against a completely different cultural backdrop.</p>
<p>I agree that one of the biggest worries is how to go about empowering these people. How do you gain their trust and convince them that even though you are an outsider, you have their interests at heart and want to work with them to improve their lives?</p>
<p> Thus, I was particularly intrigued by the Female Community Health Volunteers (FCHV’s).  Why has the gov’t made it impossible to pay them? What exactly is the regulation?  Maybe there’s another way to give incentives to these women, to gain their support and also to raise their value and respect level in the community. Maybe you could help make their job easier, either through giving them access to better transportation (I’m not sure what that would entail) or to things they can distribute (food, anything of value) or give them payment in the form of food/necessities for their own family.</p>
<p> I think it’s great that Nyaya will be working with these women and supplementing their training so that they can do more in the community. It seems like there’s so little healthcare available that any additional services these women can offer would be a great improvement. And  educating these women and allowing them to be spokespeople for Nyaya is probably one of the best concrete examples of empowerment that I can think of.</p>
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